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Lenore: Okay. So my topic for this evening is called to see or not to see

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Lenore: engaging without overwhelm.

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Lenore: as has been mentioned a few times already, and certainly in personal conversations that I've had with people

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Lenore: engaging can be overwhelming.

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Lenore: You know. Compassion, fatigue is a thing

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Lenore: I told you last night about my my adventure with volunteering for the Sophie Scomps

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Lenore: political campaign, and how I ended up doing the thing I never thought I'd do the door knocking so.

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Lenore: and

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Lenore: it actually turned out to be quite good fun. I really quite enjoyed it. My vision of it. And why I was scared of it was people slamming doors in your face and being rude to you, and you know, telling you where to go, and none of that happened. It was mostly really enjoyable.

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Lenore:  though. There's one door knock that stands out in my memory.

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Lenore: so I knocked on the door, and there was, I heard, a bit of sort of shuffling and murmuring

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Lenore: behind the door. and then an old man opened the door. He would have been

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Lenore: I shouldn't shouldn't say that, should I given the average age of people in here, but he was probably

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Lenore: What would he have been? At least mid 70 s.

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Lenore: I've just gotten in trouble for all those people online for calling mid-seventies all anyway. There there was. So he he answered the door.

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Lenore: and I could see down the passageway behind him, and there was a woman standing down the end of passageway, which I only assume is his wife.

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Lenore: And so it's all you know. Hi! My name is Lenori. I'm volunteering for

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Lenore: woman who's putting herself forward as a candidate at the elections. Sophie Scott and and these doorknobs. You don't actually have political conversations with people. All you're doing is you're finding out whether they're aware of her.

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Lenore: And if so, what their attitude is, and if they're not, you just sort of give them a brief feel for the key thing she's standing for. You might lead them with a brochure, or tell them where to find more information if they're interested. And then, you know, you just give them a nice experience. Oh, and we ask them, what what matters to them? So what are the key issues that matter to you at at, for in the election that's pretty much all it is.

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Lenore: There's an occasional sort of person who will want you to. Oh, come in, and we will talk about it. And what have you? Which really ruins the plan? Because you've got a whole street to get through but I didn't have any of those but anyway, so I said to this old man, Oh, yeah, Lenore, this is what I'm doing, you know, are you, you know? Have you heard of Sophie Scumps?

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Lenore: Nope, not interested in any of that?

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Lenore: I'm like, oh, okay. So you know, what are the issues that matter to you at the upcoming election.

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Lenore: We don't care about anything.

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Lenore: No one prepared me for that response. I'm like, Oh.

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Lenore: you don't care about anything, and he's like, no, we've got our life here, and that's all we care about.

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Lenore: Like, right? Okay.

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Lenore: I'm just kind of thinking on my feet. And I'm thinking, come on, there has to be something that you care about. That is a you know Federal issue. I couldn't think of one except for it was more of a state issue, really, but I just sort of plucked it out of the air, went, oh, what about you know? Aged care issues, or you know, healthcare for.

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Lenore: and he's like, No, don't care.

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Lenore: Don't care about anything I'm like.

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Lenore: alright. Okay. Hello! You have to vote for someone on the weekends. Think about Sophie, and you know, thanks for your time. And if I went on my way and

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Lenore: That

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Lenore: experience like that, that, that man that couple have sort of come to personify for me. Disengagement.

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Lenore: you know. All we care about is our little 500 square metres. Don't care about anything outside of that

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Lenore: now on one level as someone who at that time. So this is sort of first few months of last year I was putting aside a really important project.

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Lenore: That I'd already had to put aside a bunch of times, and I was putting it aside again

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Lenore: in order to devote my time to helping. you know. Try to make this change.

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Lenore: and you know and it was uncomfortable, as I described to you last night. It's not exactly something II felt comfortable doing, and it was for the greater good. And

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Lenore: to me this couple kind of personified part of the problem

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Lenore: with our world, and that is that what's in it for me? Mentality

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Lenore: and an absolute lack of any kind of civic responsibility, interest in an engagement.

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Lenore: But on another level I understood it.

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Lenore: The willingness to raise our head above the parapet and and look out there in and see what's going in. On in the world.

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Lenore: sort of to look beyond the walls of our homely little 500 square metres. It can be overwhelming.

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Lenore: I mean, we've talked a lot this week already about, you know, crises going on. We've got the climate crisis. We've got the wars in Ukraine. We've got Israel and Palestine. I actually looked up the other day. There's a agency in Geneva that tracks armed conflicts around the world.

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Lenore: and there are more than a hundred 10 armed conflicts currently going on around the world.

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Lenore: and most of us know of probably 2 of them.

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Lenore: So you know. And then we've got the other things we've picked up on already, you know, housing crisis.

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Cost of living crisis. We've got good old bigotry in all of its forms.

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Lenore:  you know, and then, of course, the climate emergency. So you know the willingness to engage the willingness to look out there over the walls of the castle.

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Lenore: You know it can be hard. it can be painful.

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Lenore: I've already had a couple of conversations, you know. Morning tea and lunchtime. And what have you with people? Where

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Lenore: all about all this talk about the crises? You know it's it, can. It can feel heavy. It can feel hard.

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Lenore: So I want to suggest that our our first choice in engaging with this world in crisis is

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Lenore: whether to look at all at an issue.

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Lenore: and if so, how to do that.

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Lenore: I want to suggest that this looking or attending to, you know, taking notice of finding out about paying attention to

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Lenore: it occurs on the spectrum, and so at one end we've got

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Lenore: our old couple who don't care about anything. They don't. They don't. Wanna they don't just don't wanna look at anything.

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Lenore: And then at the other end, we've got undiscerning.

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Lenore: Whatever comes my way I look at it. and I'm going to suggest that this is a classic case of the middle way, being

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Lenore: skillful.

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Lenore: and so I hope to to help you with that this evening. So

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Lenore: yeah, I'll wake up.

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Lenore: I indicated on the very first day that one of the key issues that has captured my attention. To do with engaging with this world in crisis is the fact that our attentional bandwidth is constantly under attack.

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Lenore: There's a plethora of actors out there vying for our attention in this attention economy. and that this is a recipe. If we don't exercise discernment

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Lenore: for either numbing out or overwhelm nothing out checking out or overwhelm and checking like checking out like this old couple obviously had.

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Lenore: Now I expect that this is not an issue Gotuma had to deal with

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Lenore: in his time.

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Lenore: It's very much a secular

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Lenore: issue. It's of our secul, and it's of our time.

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Lenore: So the very first ethical act we need to consciously engaging is making a choice about

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Lenore: what we're going to allow to have contact with our sensorium. And by sensorium I just mean, you know our body, mind.

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Lenore: and in this case I'm especially talking about our mind.

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Lenore: But obviously the whole thing is connected.

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Lenore: Now you may have come across the term, guard your senses. I came across quite early in my Dharma exploration, and at first I remember thinking that

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Lenore: why would you do that? Isn't that a form of a version? You know this is unpleasant. So I'm going to block it out.

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Lenore: And it can be if it's just a reactive, you know, blocking.

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Lenore: But I actually believe now that mindful and skillful guarding of our senses is essential

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Lenore: to avoid this numbing out, checking out or overwhelm. because if we don't do this and do it skillfully.

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Lenore:  will, will, it'll render us

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Lenore: unable to engage.

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Lenore: will become useless to the project of improving this world, of of engaging ethically with our world.

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Lenore: Now, to make this conscious choice. to pay attention to what we're paying attention to.

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Lenore: many of us may need to slow down.

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Lenore: Dare I say it do less?

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Lenore: I don't know if you've noticed this in your life, but it's really clear to me that speed

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Lenore: and mindfulness are inimical to each other.

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Lenore: they they fight against each other. This is really obvious to me in a really practical way, in my sport.

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Lenore: So anytime you're doing something that has to be performed at speed. So a block start, sprint hurdles high, jump long jump, you know, throws

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Lenore: it's all performed quickly.

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Lenore: So, as an example with my sprint hurdles. I was telling someone the other day,

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Lenore: my goal. So I my my next goal with the sprint headers. I wanna

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Lenore: hopefully break the Australian record before I leave this age group next year.

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Lenore: and to do that, my goal is, I have to between touchdown on one hurdle and touchdown on the next hurdle.

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Lenore: My goal is for that to be 1.0 6 s

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Lenore: land and balance myself. I have to bring my trailing around, get it in front. power it down into the ground so that I'm accelerating off the hurdle. I have to take 3 strides as fast as I can to get across that gap

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Lenore: and to get me in the right takeoff

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Lenore: spot for the next hurdle, and then I have to get myself into a position to take off and be

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Lenore: yeah as low as I can over that hurdle

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Lenore: so that I can bring that next leg down and and land. So all of that has to happen

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Lenore: when you're trying to change something that you're doing about hurdling or improve it, or or teach it. It takes it takes quite a lot of time and repetition

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Lenore: to all of those things because you're doing them at speed.

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Lenore: think of our attentional capacity like the broadband cable that comes into your house.

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Lenore: It has a limited

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Lenore: when it comes to our minds.

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Lenore: If we jam packed that bandwidth.

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Lenore: The detail of our perception is traded off.

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Lenore: It's like with a video, you have to reduce the frames per second.

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Lenore: So we no longer have good perceptual acuity. We can't notice the detail in our experience if we're rushing through life at a million miles an hour.

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Lenore: and that says nothing of what many people call multitasking.

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Lenore: which, at least, if we're talking about tasks that require any kind of processing capacity, there is no such thing as multitasking.

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Lenore: It's actually what psychologists call context switching.

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Lenore: So when you so-called multitask. what you're actually doing is you're drawing yourself out of one task.

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Lenore: You're shifting your mind to another task. You're reorienting your mind to what that new task is, and possibly where you were up to, you know in it last time you were there you were

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Lenore: engaging your memory and your planning abilities for what you're going to do there and then you engage in that task and that switching process, dragging yourself out of one shifting and orienting yourself into another. All

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Lenore: it's all costly.

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Lenore: attention-wise. It takes attention. So context switching is actually really inefficient way to work.

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Lenore: And there, as I say, there's no real such thing as multitasking when it comes to tasks that require processing capacity.

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Lenore: So to even be able to do what it is, I'm going to play with with you tonight.

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Lenore:  we're which is paying attention to what we pay attention to.

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Lenore: I'm going to suggest that or invite you all

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Lenore: to join an imaginary organization called Par. which stands for people against rushing.

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Lenore: And it's an organization I dreamt up many years ago, actually. and

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Lenore: to join to join. All you have to do is

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Lenore: genuinely intend to try to meet 3 commitments. The first one is 20% buffer time

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Lenore: on any deadline, so that includes.

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Lenore: you know, arriving somewhere. travel time, that kind of thing. So if it's gonna take, you know, if you think it's gonna take me an hour to get from here to there. Give yourself an hour and 12 min.

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Lenore: So 20% buffer time.

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Lenore: Second commitment is

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Lenore: blank spaces in the diary.

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Lenore: prioritising and honoring nothing time.

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Lenore: so that might be on any given day. It might be a 15 min period

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Lenore: where you just sit

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Lenore: and you know, take in the warm air and the birds in the trees.

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Lenore: If that's all you can manage in a week, it might just be a Sunday afternoon. We've got nothing planned. Yes.

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Lenore: hang it home, or it's it's not for chores.

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Lenore: It's not for getting back to emails. It's for just doing nothing.

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Lenore: And then, obviously, you might want to build a bigger chunk in

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Lenore: monthly or 6 monthly, or what have you? But it's honoring and planning for? Because, as I spoke about a few days ago credible intentions of things that we've either mentally rehearsed or mentally planned.

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Lenore: He's actually planning for that nothing time and really valuing it.

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Lenore: So 20% buffer

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Lenore:  blank spaces in the diary, and the third one is, which won't be need any explanation to this crowd is, be where you are.

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Lenore: And I actually have here some par cards. If any of you would like to take some

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Lenore: that you can take and put in your wallet, or give to a friend? Or what have you? And for the our friends online, you can access them. You can download them from my website, which is just flourish personalgrowth.com. So there's a tools menu, and it's a free download on my website.

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Lenore: So we need to join par so that we can slow down enough to pay attention to what we're paying attention to.

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Lenore: So let's imagine we've done that. Let's imagine we freed up our attention or bandwidth enough that we can pay attention.

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Lenore: I'm gonna offer you a little tool to help you

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Lenore: discern whether to engage as this peaceful warrior.

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Lenore: whether to engage with this world in crisis on any given

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Lenore: issue. or whether to guard your senses, whether to raise the drawbridge and say, Nope.

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Lenore: Self-protection's kicking in self sustenance, sustainability is kicking in.

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Lenore: pat let you in

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Lenore: to raise the drawbridge over the moat.

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Lenore:  So the majority of the rest of the session tonight from me is actually this activity, and I know there are some people who don't like doing

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Lenore: guided reflections and things. So if you're one of those people

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Lenore: feel free to not participate.

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Lenore: or to leave and go for a walk, or whatever you want to do. because the rest of our session tonight will be doing this for the rest of you if you can grab. You need an a 4 sheet of paper.

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Lenore: something to write with, and a highlighter, and I've got a whole stack of highlighters down there. If you don't have one.

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Lenore: and people at home, if you are able to furnish yourself with the same thing. If you don't have a highlighter you can make do with a pen.

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Lenore: It's awful!

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Lenore: Oh, and here are the Parc cards, and I'll I'll just I'll leave them on the table here.

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Lenore: Okay, so first thing, if you can draw a little corridor down the left and bottom.

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Lenore: Put your paper landscape orientation on its side

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Lenore: and draw a corridor just enough room. You'll only need to write one word

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Lenore: down the down, the left-hand margin and across the bottom margin.

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Lenore: so like an L,

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Lenore: and then

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Lenore: top. Left-hand corner is high, bottom left-hand, but bottom, right-hand corner is high and bottom left-hand corner. Right. The word low.

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Send a few points.

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Lenore: Hi, bye, Lowe.

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Lenore: Yeah, I've just put HI. But yes, that's the word.

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Lenore: Only the bottom where as well

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Lenore: low, is down here. Not love. Yeah.

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Lenore: So this one, yeah. Remember the yin and the yang of exertion and recovery. That's it's so important to keep ourselves energized.

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Lenore: Quadrant 3. So quadrant 3, I would. Is this one here so high, seeing I'm letting lots of information in but low mindfulness.

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Lenore: And when I think about it, I think it came from a sense of Catholic guilt.

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Lenore: but it can lead again to overwhelm and therefore inaction.

392
00:47:21.940 --> 00:47:28.009
Lenore: So this is the this is the quadrant of the stimulation junkie. The news junkie

393
00:47:28.610 --> 00:47:44.439
Lenore:  can be a quadrant of being afraid of my inner world. So I'll just. I just have constant stimulation, constant input constantly let you know, data and entertainment in. Then I won't have to

394
00:47:45.710 --> 00:47:53.270
Lenore: sit and be with and notice what happens when none of that's present. What's going on?

395
00:47:53.720 --> 00:48:00.330
Lenore:  and the discernment about it comes from

396
00:48:00.860 --> 00:48:02.739
Lenore: the awareness of the impact.

397
00:48:03.830 --> 00:48:10.269
Lenore: So bringing mindfulness to the impact of you know, what what is it like if I just let

398
00:48:10.570 --> 00:48:12.110
Lenore: let it all in.

399
00:48:12.420 --> 00:48:17.659
Lenore: read it all, listen to it at all. Think about it all worry about it all.

400
00:48:18.490 --> 00:48:19.880
Lenore: What's the impact?

401
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:26.079
Lenore: So bringing our mindfulness to that. Again, remembering that

402
00:48:26.330 --> 00:48:28.680
Lenore: our minds take the shape of what we rest them on

403
00:48:29.510 --> 00:48:36.530
Lenore:  and given that there are so many players vying for our attention in this attention. Economy.

404
00:48:36.600 --> 00:48:49.010
Lenore: if we don't practice discernment. If we had no guards at these doors to our senses, if we let everything in. our minds are going to take a very messy, random, anxious, and reactive shape.

405
00:48:50.610 --> 00:48:59.209
Lenore: So if beware, be be be really careful with any issues that you've got in there.

406
00:49:01.670 --> 00:49:06.589
Lenore: a couple of things I thought. Just very specific sort of practical things on this one.

407
00:49:07.080 --> 00:49:10.209
Lenore: Some. So an example of

408
00:49:11.250 --> 00:49:12.830
Lenore: of how much

409
00:49:12.860 --> 00:49:16.119
Lenore: comes our way if we let it. I heard the other day

410
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:22.539
Lenore: that the Israeli army in the conflict in Israel and Palestine is posting every 2 min

411
00:49:23.190 --> 00:49:24.790
Lenore: about what's going on there

412
00:49:26.670 --> 00:49:36.090
Lenore: in detail about what the what the army is doing. So you know. Imagine if you have no discernment about what you're letting in

413
00:49:36.590 --> 00:49:40.140
Lenore: through those through that castle drawbridge.

414
00:49:40.850 --> 00:49:44.059
Lenore: The other thing is, where do you get your news from?

415
00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:53.180
Lenore: Have a think about that? Because and I'm not just about. You know what attitude you know, or what perspective the editorial

416
00:49:53.240 --> 00:49:56.020
Lenore: teen has but

417
00:49:56.070 --> 00:49:58.510
Lenore: a lot of people, and maybe not.

418
00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:06.109
Lenore: I don't know if this would be so true for the you know, older half in our retreat here, but a lot of

419
00:50:06.310 --> 00:50:07.000
E.

420
00:50:07.250 --> 00:50:11.309
Lenore: I'm going to say younger, but I mean going to include people in their 30 S and 40 s. Here.

421
00:50:11.470 --> 00:50:15.190
Lenore:  get their news from social media.

422
00:50:15.410 --> 00:50:18.189
Lenore: So they'll get their news from Facebook, for example.

423
00:50:19.220 --> 00:50:21.430
Lenore: or Google news.

424
00:50:22.220 --> 00:50:23.290
Lenore: Google feed

425
00:50:23.430 --> 00:50:25.490
Lenore: and

426
00:50:25.540 --> 00:50:40.300
Lenore: I heard A, really, I was listening to. I listen to it specifically, a, podcast the other day on why we should not turn off the news. So of course I had to listen to that, because I had this thing about not watching the crime, death, and destruction report. She made a good point on there

427
00:50:40.430 --> 00:50:48.770
Lenore: that if you get your news from social media or Google feeds, or what have you? There is no editorial team

428
00:50:48.900 --> 00:50:57.629
Lenore: making conscious decisions about what is in the interests of the public to to feed you or not, which is what happens with

429
00:50:57.770 --> 00:51:02.630
Lenore:  actual. You know, media publications.

430
00:51:02.950 --> 00:51:10.889
Lenore: Obviously those editorial teams have different, you know, attitudes and different values. But there are editorial teams, and there are editorial guidelines

431
00:51:10.990 --> 00:51:14.469
Lenore: and professional standards. So, for example, she said.

432
00:51:14.500 --> 00:51:16.000
Lenore: in

433
00:51:16.410 --> 00:51:23.060
Lenore: in deciding whether to include a graphic photograph of something that would be quite distressing in an article

434
00:51:23.530 --> 00:51:34.569
Lenore: they have to. They and they, you know, have their editorial meetings about this kind of thing. It has to be essential to the core point of the story

435
00:51:35.530 --> 00:51:37.420
Lenore: in order for them to

436
00:51:37.580 --> 00:51:44.970
Lenore: put a graphic, disturbing photo in an article, whereas if you are getting your news from social media feeds.

437
00:51:45.460 --> 00:51:47.719
Lenore: the only thing they care about is clicks.

438
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.450
Lenore: So the more disturbing the better.

439
00:51:53.570 --> 00:51:58.740
Lenore: So that's just it's something I had never thought about in terms of this

440
00:51:59.780 --> 00:52:04.040
Lenore: discernment and this important

441
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:10.519
Lenore: task of self care to keep ourselves energized and regenerated to be able to engage.

442
00:52:11.950 --> 00:52:16.240
Lenore: I've already mentioned the crime, death and destruction report, but also our phones.

443
00:52:16.630 --> 00:52:24.599
Lenore: You know they've been called a tool of weapon of mass destruction. And I absolutely agree.

444
00:52:25.100 --> 00:52:34.929
Lenore: So if we are, you know, constantly letting your notification settings on your phone are a really important thing. If you haven't noticed already.

445
00:52:35.970 --> 00:52:40.329
Lenore: turn them off, unless there's a really good reason to have them on

446
00:52:40.590 --> 00:52:45.110
Lenore: distracts. Your attention, grabs your attention all the time. That's what it's designed to do.

447
00:52:46.650 --> 00:52:49.420
Lenore: Okay? So that's quadrant 3 quadrant 4

448
00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:58.559
Lenore: is low, low. So low mindfulness and low, seeing I'm not taking notice of anything, and I don't even know that I'm not taking. I don't even know that I don't know

449
00:52:59.130 --> 00:53:02.550
Lenore:  Just before the referendum

450
00:53:02.630 --> 00:53:08.909
Lenore: there was a some I couldn't even tell you what the name of them are, because I'm not hip enough. But there were

451
00:53:08.990 --> 00:53:23.910
Lenore: some bands that were putting on a concert in Shepparton in Victoria. It was the idea was to raise awareness and and enthusiasm from young people to vote. Yes, at the referendum.

452
00:53:24.740 --> 00:53:43.870
Lenore: and one of the journals from the Guardian went along, and she was interviewing people who were at this music festival. And so she's interviewing this young woman. She's 26 years old, and she says she, the interviewer says to her, so you know, shelly. What do you think of the voice?

453
00:53:44.700 --> 00:53:48.610
Lenore: And Shelley says. oh, what the TV show.

454
00:53:49.700 --> 00:53:53.639
Lenore: She thought she was talking. She didn't know there was a referendum on.

455
00:53:53.960 --> 00:54:01.270
Lenore: She didn't even know what the voice was. So that's what we're talking about here. I don't even know that I'm not aware

456
00:54:05.560 --> 00:54:07.250
Lenore: what's that?

457
00:54:11.210 --> 00:54:14.979
Lenore: So it's blindness. It's and and blindness can be unkindness.

458
00:54:16.310 --> 00:54:22.819
Lenore: It's more pleasant than the mindless, seeing where I'm just understandingly seeing everything.

459
00:54:24.020 --> 00:54:26.519
Lenore: But it's also potentially more harmful

460
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:30.919
Lenore: because not just to ourselves, but to others. Because we're

461
00:54:31.130 --> 00:54:34.260
Lenore: unknowingly contributing to the harm. Or we might be.

462
00:54:35.610 --> 00:54:39.400
Lenore: We're allowing that clear field of play verb.

463
00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:48.140
Lenore: the reactivity, reactivity and suffering to continue because we're just not even involved at all, not even taking any notice.

464
00:54:49.610 --> 00:54:53.520
Lenore: So this is the land of the the old couple

465
00:54:53.790 --> 00:55:06.289
Lenore: who don't care about anything. although they probably would have to go. There's a little bit of mindfulness about the fact that they're not seeing, so they'd probably be in the top of that for me and Bottom quadrant there.

466
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:12.870
Lenore: So you know, here, we're surely neglecting our opportunities to be peaceful warriors in the world.

467
00:55:14.700 --> 00:55:15.830
Lenore: So

468
00:55:16.020 --> 00:55:27.570
Lenore: what I would. Well, actually, there's there's another step to this which is then, once we've identified, that is to say, well, how do we decide what to engage with

469
00:55:28.300 --> 00:55:33.029
Lenore: and we can have a bit of a discussion about that if we have time. But

470
00:55:34.240 --> 00:55:36.069
Lenore: first of all, let's have

471
00:55:36.680 --> 00:55:41.339
Lenore: thoughts, questions, insights about what you've got there.

472
00:55:41.470 --> 00:55:49.640
Lenore: And was there anything that I missed in terms of the kinds of issues that arose in any of the quadrants.

473
00:55:50.490 --> 00:55:52.780
Lenore: and did it reveal anything to you?

474
00:56:01.210 --> 00:56:03.319
Lenore: Thanks for letting us be guinea pigs?

475
00:56:03.390 --> 00:56:16.670
Lenore:  just a couple of quick points. Think there's there's a dimension about finite time available.

476
00:56:16.990 --> 00:56:23.700
Lenore: you know. If you read Oliver Berkeley, his book was about this 4,000 weeks.

477
00:56:24.180 --> 00:56:33.319
Lenore: You think we've got on average lifespan 4,000 weeks to fill it, and if you start filling it up with everything. And so I mean, he, you know, does a lot of time management stuff, and says.

478
00:56:33.600 --> 00:56:38.590
Lenore: Really, if you're passionate, about dozen things, try and just pick 2

479
00:56:38.670 --> 00:56:43.850
Lenore: and and go well with those which I think relates to

480
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:46.419
Lenore: Winston's point about in in intensity.

481
00:56:46.700 --> 00:56:52.950
Lenore:  And the other dimension to the time is is energy.

482
00:56:53.270 --> 00:56:56.580
Lenore: So it's

483
00:56:56.610 --> 00:57:10.079
Lenore: when you talk about. Well, where do you spend your time, and what grabs your attention? I think it is mixed up in time and energy. And your your emotions, can chew up a whole lot of energy

484
00:57:10.230 --> 00:57:26.400
Lenore: and then deflate the remaining time for you to go deeper. And and you're right in terms of devices and modern media it. The the algorithms are so well designed. Now

485
00:57:26.420 --> 00:57:31.180
Lenore: they want to grab your attention once once you're there, they want to keep on grabbing your attention.

486
00:57:31.390 --> 00:57:39.389
Lenore: So whilst the younger cohort in our population may be getting their news from

487
00:57:39.570 --> 00:57:41.670
Lenore: Facebook, Tik tok whatever.

488
00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:47.719
Lenore: if all age groups are starting to, or have been for some time

489
00:57:47.770 --> 00:57:53.360
Lenore: accessing the general news media, using devices

490
00:57:53.690 --> 00:58:03.540
Lenore: where the settings may not be, have the privacy settings in there that that even the ABC. Can know what you're looking at and start pushing

491
00:58:03.700 --> 00:58:07.589
Lenore: other stories into you before you even get off reading the news headlines

492
00:58:08.230 --> 00:58:11.970
Lenore: and the other trick, I think around the news headlines is

493
00:58:12.270 --> 00:58:26.849
Lenore: once upon a time, you know, you would read it in the afternoon newspaper or the morning newspaper and watch the 5, 6, or 70'clock news service, which goes a little bit more depth.

494
00:58:27.410 --> 00:58:40.150
Lenore: Now you can get a headline like any time of the day, and it keeps on getting added to add it to added to, and it builds up the whole day. That's what. Chews up your time and can choose. Chew up your energy.

495
00:58:40.620 --> 00:58:44.400
Lenore: If you're not disciplined enough to turn those devices off

496
00:58:44.650 --> 00:58:51.109
Lenore: and be mindful of your energy, ability as well as your time ability.

497
00:58:52.520 --> 00:58:54.830
Lenore: Agree, John, and I think that's part of

498
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:57.189
Lenore: guess what I'm trying to highlight here is

499
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:13.820
Lenore: if we're being mindful about this, and we might say, Hey, I've got to shift a bunch of issues out of this box into this box because it's draining me. And I'm not getting. I'm not being able to harness my skills and energy and attention and care and

500
00:59:14.110 --> 00:59:20.629
Lenore:  and time to help with anything, because I'm so busy

501
00:59:20.820 --> 00:59:24.310
Lenore: taking it all in and being exhausted by it. Yeah.

502
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:36.280
Lenore: as as I look at this one way of describing what it is, is it describes my world.

503
00:59:37.720 --> 00:59:41.390
Lenore: And so I was reflecting that really for this

504
00:59:41.590 --> 00:59:50.989
Lenore: to be fully helpful. You also need the other 2 layers that you were talking about, where you're interests and preoccupations in your own life.

505
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:57.340
Lenore: Are also there on the page and the clash or the the

506
00:59:57.720 --> 01:00:09.740
Lenore: the the tug. For time between those and these big public things is, I think, much more important than the tug between different begin big public things.

507
01:00:09.790 --> 01:00:18.499
Lenore: It's much more important is, are you rooted in your family, your community, yourself, and your own interests? And yes, you've got 20%, and

508
01:00:18.670 --> 01:00:21.970
Lenore: it's spread in different ways. But

509
01:00:22.510 --> 01:00:27.759
Lenore: if you have the same spread, but it's 80%, not 20%, then you're in deep trouble.

510
01:00:28.710 --> 01:00:32.510
Lenore: Yeah. And your recovery process is going to be a lot

511
01:00:32.750 --> 01:00:43.930
Lenore: longer. Yeah, yeah, no. Agree. Just remember, this is, we're just looking here. And I understand? Yeah, I understand. But I was looking at that and thinking, does this define my world? And then I thought of people I know

512
01:00:43.950 --> 01:00:44.980
Lenore: who've got

513
01:00:45.270 --> 01:00:50.929
Lenore: good consciences and are involved in things, but they don't take their time in on any of these things. Yeah.

514
01:00:51.940 --> 01:00:55.740
Lenore: Their interest is in their art, their family, their community

515
01:00:55.770 --> 01:01:04.159
Lenore: their particular interests. And yes, they're out there marching for refugees or whatever. But it doesn't come up as a major issue until the moment comes.

516
01:01:04.810 --> 01:01:08.950
Lenore: And so they are rooted differently.

517
01:01:09.430 --> 01:01:31.070
Lenore: Yeah, I mean, it'd be interesting to speak to those people and see whether they're or the extent to which they are engaging in the world in crisis, because we all that's right. That's right. They might not be enough, you know. Really they might not be. But I can think of people who are and who I actually esteem because they're truly rooted in their own lives. And yes, they do spend time out here.

518
01:01:31.170 --> 01:01:35.170
Lenore: but it's their root in their own lives. That is the most important.

519
01:01:35.290 --> 01:01:46.359
Lenore: gets the most time, and also gives the most energy to what they do in the public sphere. Yeah, we'll actually have a look a bit at a bit at that tomorrow. But that's very good.

520
01:01:48.500 --> 01:02:07.669
Lenore: Hi! Judy! Here, A bit tongue in cheek, but you. You can gain some efficiencies, I think, with the Australian media, etc. If you put sport in the top left hand, quadrant number 2, and anything to do with betting as well. So

521
01:02:07.670 --> 01:02:19.720
Lenore: I also think sometime, and I mean in practice, how it works. There might be a new headline or a new incident that you might look at that to think, oh, who's being impacted by that? And then

522
01:02:19.750 --> 01:02:37.529
Lenore: you you don't look at it again, so you you might look at the tsunami in Indonesia to get a sense of what's happened to them, you know, and or you might look at what's going on in a regional area. You know I live in the city, but what's happening in that region, and

523
01:02:37.620 --> 01:02:41.599
Lenore: and you may not want to hear them describe their devastation. But

524
01:02:41.690 --> 01:02:50.589
Lenore: just an initial. What's what's happened to them and get a sense of it. So then you switch off. So I guess I mean, I know this is sort of a

525
01:02:50.830 --> 01:02:57.230
Lenore: a tool as a starting point, but I guess in practical ways we we're probably trying to manage that

526
01:02:57.270 --> 01:03:09.979
Lenore: all the time in terms of what we're paying attention to, and not but we do get sucked in, you know, or you keep following that story. Probably you know the fifth time that you shouldn't have, you know.

527
01:03:10.060 --> 01:03:15.449
Lenore: Yeah, I think you raise a good point, Judy, about. So there's the issue of Do I pay attention, or do I not?

528
01:03:15.540 --> 01:03:34.009
Lenore: Then, once we've decided, okay, yes, I will pay attention to this is the next one is in how much detail. So a really interesting thing I'd be interested in people's views on is, you know, I don't know if you picked it up, but I said sometimes in Quadrant one it might be. I'm looking at something

529
01:03:34.050 --> 01:03:38.439
Lenore: because I feel I should at least know the basics about it, just to be a good citizen.

530
01:03:39.100 --> 01:03:41.349
Lenore: And II haven't really

531
01:03:41.910 --> 01:03:48.390
Lenore: haven't really investigated that, you know. What does it mean to be a good citizen? And do I, for example?

532
01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:56.520
Lenore: Okay, so the Israel Palestine thing is one of those for me, you know. It has nothing like. I'm not involved in it in any way.

533
01:03:56.620 --> 01:04:00.670
Lenore: but I have this sense that to be a good citizen, I should at least know what's going on.

534
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:18.580
Lenore: and I don't know if that's right, and it might be who like also who's written the story. I mean, you know, in terms of your judgment about who's written the story. And is this someone you should be paying attention to because they have some level of authority or experience.

535
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:28.020
Lenore: You know, what are your trusted media sources? You mentioned the Guardian, for example? Yeah, yeah, definitely.

536
01:04:28.600 --> 01:04:38.010
Lenore: yeah, there's the issue of how much so that tsunami thing in Indonesia, you know. Yes, I think you know, know that it's going on. Know if there's people collecting money around what the hell that's for.

537
01:04:38.090 --> 01:04:44.530
Lenore: But my thing was okay. The level of detail, of watching, actually

538
01:04:44.540 --> 01:04:49.269
Lenore: people screaming and running for their lives with a tidal wave coming.

539
01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:52.790
Lenore: Is that skillful for me to watch that?

540
01:04:53.390 --> 01:04:58.970
Lenore: And I decided it wasn't. I don't think there's any good at all that could come from that for me.

541
01:04:59.030 --> 01:05:01.979
Lenore: Yeah, I think we all have to decide when we turn off. Yeah.

542
01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:07.470
Lenore: Hmm, well, but I think it's good that I knew that was happening.

543
01:05:08.020 --> 01:05:09.679
Lenore: Give some money or whatever.

544
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:22.700
Lenore: Ii agree with you on that. That there's some things I feel I need to know about just to be informed what's going on in the world. But I don't want to know any details.

545
01:05:23.120 --> 01:05:24.810
Lenore: And

546
01:05:26.730 --> 01:05:43.609
Lenore: 11 years ago my husband and I decided we weren't gonna have a television in the house anymore. And the longer we don't have TV, the more grateful we are that we don't have TV, that we get our news through. Looking online at

547
01:05:43.680 --> 01:05:48.299
Lenore: reputable news sources and follow the

548
01:05:48.360 --> 01:06:14.610
Lenore: headlines that we want. But the other advantage of not having TV overwhelming advantage is is sorry the the bloody adverts. You know, we're free from so much advertising and the advertising industry. You you're just tracked by it. And so by not having TV. We minimize.

549
01:06:15.080 --> 01:06:20.629
Lenore: I'll exposure to adverts. And I think that's as important

550
01:06:20.670 --> 01:06:44.080
Lenore: as minimizing your exposure to all this horrible stuff that's going on, that you can't do anything about that just kind of brings you down. I think you have to be very deserting. These are the issues that are important to me. This is what I'm gonna get involved in, and the rest I'm happy to know a little bit about, but not too much detail, because it just distracts.

551
01:06:44.720 --> 01:06:47.059
Lenore: Yep agree with that, Carol.

552
01:06:47.790 --> 01:06:56.469
Lenore: One of the things that I find interesting about what what was in my quadrants was very much reflected, I think, by how, what we

553
01:06:56.620 --> 01:07:18.410
Lenore: potentially some. Well, you know, I should only speak for myself. But you know what you prioritize is is what the news cycle prioritizes, as in, you know. So the war in Ukraine was very much front of mind, but was displaced by the war in Palestine. So that went from my my top right to my top left. You know, I was just thinking about that also in relation to the plight of the Uighurs. I mean

554
01:07:18.520 --> 01:07:20.850
Lenore: that that's very

555
01:07:20.870 --> 01:07:46.319
Lenore: present in the News Cycle, when there was a 4 corners story about it, which was an extremely well made program which documented the the plight of one particular family as a as a sort of microcosm of the appalling situation happening there. But you know it's it's virtually vanished from the news cycle, as far as I'm aware. So so I'm just. I'm aware that in my my sort of placing of things in the Quadrant.

556
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:50.580
Lenore: it's it's sort of a response, in a way to

557
01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:53.340
Lenore: how? How? What I

558
01:07:54.150 --> 01:07:59.030
Lenore: prioritizes manipulated by the news cycle. Yeah. Yeah.

559
01:07:59.530 --> 01:08:00.320
Lenore: Yep.

560
01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:05.729
Lenore: Back to your point, Carol. About the advertising.

561
01:08:06.020 --> 01:08:12.779
Lenore:  Was it Stephen this morning who said,

562
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:18.160
Lenore: you know a lot of or not might have been Winton, anyway?

563
01:08:18.310 --> 01:08:28.200
Lenore: the the whole, you know. Consumption thing is is premised on the idea that we want more, and we want more, and we want more. And we're not happy unless we have this stuff.

564
01:08:28.540 --> 01:08:37.900
Lenore:  this whole, you know, Fomo, almost so general, generating this desire for stuff that we don't need. And I've found the same. I watch very little

565
01:08:38.109 --> 01:08:47.659
Lenore: actual, you know, TV that has ads in it. So I use streaming services usually, if I'm going to watch anything that you know, if you pay for them, then you don't have to watch ads.

566
01:08:48.080 --> 01:08:52.149
Lenore: because I think it's only in the last 100 years or so that we've

567
01:08:52.210 --> 01:09:09.490
Lenore: mankind has managed to produce more stuff than it actually needs. And so you got to get the production machinery happening. So how do you get rid of all the excess stuff you you market it, and you advertise it, and you create new wants.

568
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:12.539
Lenore: And then you say to people, you deserve it.

569
01:09:12.899 --> 01:09:17.619
Lenore: And it's kind of like, you know, it's just this machinery for this.

570
01:09:17.830 --> 01:09:46.439
Lenore: The story of stuff making stuff, using it and getting it done to landfill as quickly as you can to generate profit and you know, just. And it just works against contentment, which is what we're and it works against the environment. It works. So I just have one more thought. I'm sorry I speak too much, I know, but the other thing that that I think is really pertinent is this addiction to games.

571
01:09:46.779 --> 01:09:49.129
Lenore: and is such a time waster.

572
01:09:49.180 --> 01:10:10.220
Lenore: and so I actually destroyed my ipad because I had games.

573
01:10:10.220 --> 01:10:19.980
Lenore: But everybody I know has addiction to some sort of game hours and hours on games anyway. Sorry

574
01:10:19.980 --> 01:10:22.339
Lenore: do we have someone on

575
01:10:22.340 --> 01:10:33.869
Lenore: Tessa? I just wanted to carry on that combo that the you know, not having a TV and not being subject to the ads. I think. I don't know if it's

576
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:38.060
Lenore: if everyone in this space is is engaged in it. But

577
01:10:38.150 --> 01:10:39.220
Lenore: the

578
01:10:39.260 --> 01:10:45.500
Lenore: the the adverts adverts on television are very benign compared to what's happening on social media

579
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:46.700
Lenore: and

580
01:10:46.820 --> 01:10:51.480
Lenore: people. You know, my age and younger are consuming

581
01:10:51.710 --> 01:11:19.870
Lenore: a very large amount of their news on social media, as you said. And the way you know, Tiktok or Youtube, or you know, I'm Instagram is my drug of choice. The way they work is that algorithms target you more of what you're interested in. Right? And not only that, but of course, phones are listening to. You know, whatever you're talking about. So if you discuss a need for a certain thing or an interest in a topic, those ads will then be personalized.

582
01:11:20.180 --> 01:11:27.600
Lenore: And this is, you know, if you haven't seen like the social network. Or maybe this is something because I'm more on that sort of

583
01:11:27.710 --> 01:11:46.970
Lenore: world of social media. But that that targeting or personal personalization of not just ads, but interests. serves to really polarize people into little. There's there's a deeper danger than just buying stuff. It's buying your ideas and your opinions now. So that's

584
01:11:47.350 --> 01:11:54.979
Lenore: and your vote exactly. And I think that's a you know, even I don't know if it's exactly related to this. But

585
01:11:55.060 --> 01:12:04.139
Lenore: I just think that's such an important conversation as well, or to be aware of is, that's what's actually going on now for anyone who's on those medias.

586
01:12:04.200 --> 01:12:12.079
Lenore: But I also was thinking in response to is it? Go, goia, Gowen. Thank you.

587
01:12:12.750 --> 01:12:20.690
Lenore: I'm really interested in what you said as well, because I find that there's a almost a danger of

588
01:12:21.490 --> 01:12:44.429
Lenore:  my brain, you know the the polarization of the the global issues. And then the local rootedness, or the was the word that really struck me with what you used. And I I've heard this slogan now where we want to care global and act local. And I think there's an interesting balance between

589
01:12:44.740 --> 01:12:47.809
Lenore: that acting local and

590
01:12:48.130 --> 01:13:14.970
Lenore: what I fear or what I you know, perceive is when people become too invested in self-interests, or too invested in only the inner circle and not the outer circle, and that being, you know, one end of this spectrum, and then the other end of the spectrum is being, you know, trying to spend all your time fighting for you know Palestinian freedom where the reality is, you'd probably be better off planting your nature strip, or

591
01:13:14.970 --> 01:13:25.529
Lenore: you know, there's it's a one of those middle way things that I'm I'm in. Yeah, it's interesting.

592
01:13:26.930 --> 01:13:42.490
Lenore: My, my thought was that doing what Lenore asked us to do? And it was the public level. So that was what we were looking at, but I looked at it, and I thought, Yes, I know lots of people who spend all their time at this level.

593
01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:48.759
Lenore: and I know some other people who spend quite a lot of time at the other level, and they are so refreshing.

594
01:13:50.030 --> 01:14:07.319
Lenore: and they're refreshing because it feels more authentic, more individual, more related to their personal circumstances, not in any selfish way or self-centered way, but that's the ground it grows from, and when I see

595
01:14:07.340 --> 01:14:13.410
Lenore: it growing from their ground. Then it's a different kind of flower than the one that grows out of the Guardian, or

596
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:15.979
Lenore: whatever you know, we'll read the Guardian.

597
01:14:16.320 --> 01:14:23.220
Lenore: I said. You. Have you read this thing in the Guardian, and you say yes, and then we both know what it says on the same response to it.

598
01:14:23.240 --> 01:14:33.920
Lenore: and in the end. It's tedious, even though it's virtuous, whereas someone who's thought about something and come at it from a different angle from their locality. Perhaps.

599
01:14:34.260 --> 01:14:36.430
Lenore:  It's fresh

600
01:14:37.080 --> 01:14:43.649
Lenore: that that was all. I but and I entirely agree, though, about the balance, and if you never go outside your front gate, then you're in trouble.

601
01:14:44.140 --> 01:14:49.059
Lenore: maybe, or maybe you're happy. I don't know. Or maybe you have a big garden.

602
01:14:50.320 --> 01:14:51.290
Thank you.

603
01:14:51.500 --> 01:14:54.230
Lenore: Can we have Leanne online if you're ready first, Leanne?

604
01:14:54.490 --> 01:14:58.429
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): Yes, thank you. Thanks, Lenori. That was the great process.

605
01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:10.060
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): Yes, very insightful. And it's generate, sir. More questions, because.  interestingly.

606
01:15:10.590 --> 01:15:13.530
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country):  everything was in the top.

607
01:15:14.560 --> 01:15:17.460
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): the quadrant, one and quadrant 2.

608
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:18.900
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): And

609
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:25.600
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): I noticed that there was this liquidity between Quadrant One and Quadrant 2,

610
01:15:25.830 --> 01:15:29.879
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): for probably some of the reasons that you've already described.

611
01:15:30.480 --> 01:15:36.119
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): But then I sort of wanted. I asked myself the question, so why is it the case

612
01:15:36.340 --> 01:15:38.600
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): that I

613
01:15:39.160 --> 01:15:48.129
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): that quadrant 3 notes, that one without no guards at the entrance to the Stentorium. So in actual fact, I do have good guards

614
01:15:48.280 --> 01:15:52.170
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): at the entrance to the sensorium. and I

615
01:15:52.330 --> 01:15:57.050
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): yes, that I was thinking about this when you were talking about your experience with them.

616
01:15:57.100 --> 01:16:02.120
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): The coach who was making the noise and disruption

617
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:07.030
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): for 8 years, as I mentioned. I've been living in a van in public space.

618
01:16:08.240 --> 01:16:11.370
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): I'm a very different person as a result of that.

619
01:16:11.570 --> 01:16:17.379
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): And one of the things that's happened is. I've I've developed incredible tolerance.

620
01:16:22.120 --> 01:16:28.540
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): I just got go on. Yep, we can hear you. Sorry. This. I just got a message which is confused me.

621
01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:31.260
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): II

622
01:16:31.350 --> 01:16:36.770
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): yeah, I've been developed incredible tolerance. And I've actually had to learn to

623
01:16:37.270 --> 01:16:43.230
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): not get irritated by what other people are doing in public space, for one thing.

624
01:16:43.410 --> 01:16:55.490
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): and I've developed, I guess, strategies to to deal with that, including you know, discriminating. If I'm going to

625
01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:58.280
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): interact with other people or not, for instance.

626
01:16:58.390 --> 01:17:03.480
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): or just packing, or just yes, right, or just packing up and driving somewhere else.

627
01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:04.840
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): and

628
01:17:04.900 --> 01:17:11.069
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): and but getting back to the point of asking the question. Well, why was it?

629
01:17:11.110 --> 01:17:17.150
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): Why were the top 2 boxes where everything sort of fell?

630
01:17:17.400 --> 01:17:21.720
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): I don't do social media. I don't do

631
01:17:21.850 --> 01:17:24.850
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): I don't have a television. I don't even have a washing machine.

632
01:17:24.890 --> 01:17:29.130
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): I don't, of course, have any of those things, because I live in a van.

633
01:17:29.740 --> 01:17:31.490
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): So

634
01:17:32.810 --> 01:17:40.539
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): I guess the way that I lived out of as a response to causes and conditions

635
01:17:40.870 --> 01:17:41.640
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): has

636
01:17:42.080 --> 01:17:48.820
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): generated a very interesting path and way of life with regards to

637
01:17:48.930 --> 01:17:56.820
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): the fact that I have a lot of mindfulness. I have a lot of awareness. According to this exercise.

638
01:17:57.110 --> 01:18:06.670
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): I'm seeing what's going on in the world around me. During covid I in in order to

639
01:18:06.740 --> 01:18:18.020
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): to stay connected because I'm a single woman living in a van. I went on line, and I did dharma and inquiry and insight, dialogue things.

640
01:18:18.030 --> 01:18:27.790
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): and I was connected internationally all over the world, and that was such a blessing. So my whole world opened up during Covid, as a result of the

641
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:36.719
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): the technology in the Zoom to be able to connect internationally, and so to hear first hand from deep inquiry

642
01:18:37.100 --> 01:18:43.310
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): in you know, obviously. places that were

643
01:18:44.400 --> 01:19:01.809
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): that were considered to be safe places where people could really share from a very, very deep place, and we're sharing from a very, very deep place through, of course, particular processes like insight, dialogue and and and and other things

644
01:19:01.830 --> 01:19:05.540
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): that are all dharma that, you know, have a Dharma foundation.

645
01:19:06.050 --> 01:19:08.930
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): though I guess in summary

646
01:19:08.970 --> 01:19:11.650
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): it was a great process.

647
01:19:11.770 --> 01:19:14.800
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): and its generating more and more

648
01:19:14.930 --> 01:19:16.480
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): inquiry.

649
01:19:16.670 --> 01:19:29.899
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): As to why, things did land where they did, and it was the it was like it was the surprise actually. And it's given a lot of confidence.

650
01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:36.190
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): I think, with regards to how I'm living life and and and

651
01:19:36.200 --> 01:19:43.520
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): and how one is coping in this world crisis. But thank you. Yeah, good. Thank you.

652
01:19:46.860 --> 01:19:47.550
Well.

653
01:19:49.200 --> 01:19:50.780
Lenore: okay,

654
01:19:52.020 --> 01:19:58.850
Lenore: just thinking about mindfulness and compassion, particularly if you've got a lot of things that you're

655
01:19:59.370 --> 01:20:03.039
Lenore: not wanting to turn off in the quadrant one

656
01:20:03.230 --> 01:20:11.630
Lenore:  Also feeling at times the impotence, impotence of not being able to do anything.

657
01:20:11.820 --> 01:20:15.270
Lenore:  One of one of the strategies

658
01:20:15.320 --> 01:20:23.669
Lenore: that I just shared with it. that that I use, which to try and mitigate, that when it looks like it's getting full or overfull.

659
01:20:24.020 --> 01:20:27.049
Lenore:  is to

660
01:20:27.180 --> 01:20:31.129
Lenore: still have the practice of not only mindfulness, base

661
01:20:31.230 --> 01:20:34.070
Lenore: meditation, but also daily prayer.

662
01:20:34.430 --> 01:20:37.710
Lenore: so I can gather up the concerns

663
01:20:37.910 --> 01:20:43.889
Lenore: and the empathy towards people in difficult circumstances, whether they be in the neighborhood.

664
01:20:44.150 --> 01:20:47.590
Lenore: in the state, in the nation, or overseas.

665
01:20:47.690 --> 01:20:54.229
Lenore: and and and pray for them, or do a loving-kindness meditation.

666
01:20:54.780 --> 01:21:02.300
Lenore: not as a way of trying to trick myself, that then I think I care. But you can still hold people

667
01:21:02.750 --> 01:21:13.069
Lenore: in your mindfulness and in your prayers, even though there's not anything you can do necessarily today, or even the next day.

668
01:21:13.200 --> 01:21:21.709
Lenore: I thought that about the issue of hope that came up earlier as well, I thought, when I have no control, and it's completely out of my hands.

669
01:21:22.280 --> 01:21:32.750
Lenore: But I can still hope that you know the outcome is good for those people for that. That's probably the only time at Hope matters to me.

670
01:21:37.330 --> 01:21:39.080
Lenore: Did anyone

671
01:21:39.530 --> 01:21:45.380
Lenore: look at it and go? Hmm! I need to shift some things, or I have too much here or too much. There.

672
01:21:47.950 --> 01:21:50.060
Lenore: Were there any surprises?

673
01:21:50.740 --> 01:21:56.600
Lenore: we we just heard about one surprise. But did anyone else have any anything that surprised them.

674
01:22:05.150 --> 01:22:16.180
Lenore: Yeah, I'll jump in here like maybe not surprises per se, but things that perhaps I'd want to actively reorientate on, and I was kind of going. If this is a work in pro process.

675
01:22:16.330 --> 01:22:27.300
Lenore:  what would it look like to add? Like a third dimension or a third access to this I'm really interested in. And Daniel Schmattinberger's Awareness Agency mismatch that's going on. And part of that becomes

676
01:22:27.300 --> 01:22:50.040
Lenore: high awareness of issues that are occurring and then low ability to act in that. And so there's a mismatch that occurs. And evolutionarily we're designed to be to take in information locally and act locally. You know, we we know of conditions within our environment, we act in that space. And so there's been a bias towards that. And now we're being exposed to masses of information that we can't actually

677
01:22:50.090 --> 01:23:01.179
Lenore: on. And so that is a large part of the oval. So I was just trying to overlay kind of a three-dimensional. What would it look like if we lifted that up? And it was like agency sitting over the top of this and looking for like, where are the peaks

678
01:23:01.180 --> 01:23:21.430
Lenore: that I want to actually attend to and go? Well, that's a good place for me to stay highly engaged and highly aware and be acting in that space and the other stuff, perhaps, that I need to drop away because it's a mismatch. And so, therefore it's just out of pure entertainment or interest. Yeah, that's a really good point. And, in fact, that is exactly one of the reasons that some of my

679
01:23:21.580 --> 01:23:23.800
Lenore: issues get slid from

680
01:23:24.530 --> 01:23:31.289
Lenore: quadrant one to Quadrant, because I don't have any agency. I don't. There's nothing I can do reasonably

681
01:23:32.380 --> 01:23:35.340
Lenore: so. And, in fact. that's the time.

682
01:23:37.270 --> 01:23:42.240
Lenore: What time do we finish 990'clock? We got 2 min. So the next little

683
01:23:42.750 --> 01:23:47.080
Lenore: do you want to jump in? Do the next bit? Because that's actually we're going to look at that, and we've got another question.

684
01:23:47.480 --> 01:23:48.570
Ask you a question.

685
01:23:50.300 --> 01:24:02.130
Lenore: I know I didn't. Nothing surprising. It was more that I just need to use more discernment right in in Quadrant 3. I feel, okay. Good. That was all.

686
01:24:02.690 --> 01:24:06.009
Lenore: That's a good insight. I mean, that's an important insight, I think.

687
01:24:09.010 --> 01:24:19.310
Lenore: So that the other thing that I was going to do, which is what you highlighter is needed for is just to go. Well, okay, if this is where my current attention is, how do I decide what to engage with one thing is to pay attention.

688
01:24:20.010 --> 01:24:28.190
Lenore: another is well out of those. Where should I spend my energy, my ethical, most peaceful warrior energy.

689
01:24:28.440 --> 01:24:33.650
Lenore:  Because again, if we try to spread that too thin and across too many things.

690
01:24:34.240 --> 01:24:38.420
Lenore: we can probably be aware of more things than we can engage in.

691
01:24:38.850 --> 01:24:43.499
Lenore: So we need to be even more discerning when we decide to

692
01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:46.030
Lenore: get involved.

693
01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:49.400
Lenore: So grab your highlighter in your pen.

694
01:24:56.040 --> 01:25:03.500
Lenore: So in terms of deciding. Well, what am I? There was some. We had a new person come to our Sanger a few weeks ago, and we got talking about this, and she said.

695
01:25:03.830 --> 01:25:12.070
Lenore: Yep, I've got my 2 things that I do, and she I can't remember what they were to you know, causes that she devotes her attention to.

696
01:25:12.140 --> 01:25:14.349
Lenore: and she said, I do those, and that's it.

697
01:25:16.140 --> 01:25:23.659
Lenore: And and I thought, Well, that's exactly kind of what we need to do  if we want to stay.

698
01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:25.700
Lenore: if we want it to be sustainable

699
01:25:26.440 --> 01:25:28.819
Lenore: other than burning out. So first of all.

700
01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:36.780
Lenore: here's how well, here's how I go about it and feel free to sort of experiment and see how that works out for you.

701
01:25:37.250 --> 01:25:45.009
Lenore: So my willingness to engage past the level of just seeing, just paying attention to depends on the following things. First of all, I can do something at all.

702
01:25:46.530 --> 01:25:53.500
Lenore: So if there's if that something is within my control. and it doesn't take a lot of time and resources. Then I do it.

703
01:25:54.870 --> 01:25:57.629
Lenore: Even if the impact isn't huge.

704
01:25:58.040 --> 01:26:14.760
Lenore: do it for the drops, you know many drops in a bucket effect. I do it for that ripple effect issue that we talked about with courage, that the more people in your world, you know. See people doing these things, helping these things, whatever the more they're likely to do it.

705
01:26:15.310 --> 01:26:18.150
Lenore: and for the sake of my own ethical credibility.

706
01:26:19.810 --> 01:26:30.480
Lenore: So you know, I that the espouse values versus values and action thing. You know, I for me the ethical credibility is where there's a very small gap between that

707
01:26:31.630 --> 01:26:38.070
Lenore: so highlight any that that fit that category so you could do something about it doesn't have to be big

708
01:26:39.740 --> 01:26:45.540
Lenore: and that it's in your control. You can do something that is in your control

709
01:26:47.510 --> 01:26:53.020
Lenore: and may not take a lot of time and resources. So just highlight that one. Now, those.

710
01:26:59.420 --> 01:27:01.670
Lenore: Okay? Then

711
01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:07.290
Lenore: I think about what can I do? That's likely to make

712
01:27:07.300 --> 01:27:11.880
Lenore: a difference and is a wise investment of my resources.

713
01:27:12.830 --> 01:27:16.380
Lenore: So resources, I mean skills, time, energy, money.

714
01:27:16.450 --> 01:27:17.500
Lenore: attention.

715
01:27:18.630 --> 01:27:25.090
Lenore: So by wise, I mean, of all the good that you could do is this the wisest place to devote your limited resources

716
01:27:26.780 --> 01:27:32.540
Lenore: if it doesn't take too much of my resources, or it's going to deliver a great bang for my helping Buck.

717
01:27:32.640 --> 01:27:33.930
Lenore: I'll attend to it

718
01:27:35.870 --> 01:27:39.310
Lenore: where I don't think I can make a difference. So that issue of agency.

719
01:27:39.830 --> 01:27:47.109
Lenore: or it's not a wise choice. After sufficient seeing for good citizenry as we were talking about earlier. I guard my senses.

720
01:27:47.190 --> 01:27:50.180
Lenore: I shifted out of the seeing books

721
01:27:53.050 --> 01:28:01.119
Lenore: so highlight any of these, if you haven't already, if you, if they're not already highlighted and put a star next to

722
01:28:01.810 --> 01:28:14.110
Lenore: any that also meet this criterion. So it's likely to make a difference. And it's a wise investment of your resources, your skills, your time, your energy, your money, your attention.

723
01:28:28.690 --> 01:28:32.639
Lenore: and put a star next to any in the category that we just talked about.

724
01:28:37.390 --> 01:28:41.069
Lenore: And thirdly. it's something I have energy for.

725
01:28:42.250 --> 01:28:46.550
Lenore: Put another star next to it. If it's something you've got energy for.

726
01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:49.600
Lenore: or put Asar or another star next to it.

727
01:29:21.580 --> 01:29:25.070
Lenore: Now, if there, if there are any that are highlighted

728
01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:29.569
Lenore: and they involve significant suffering.

729
01:29:30.770 --> 01:29:31.790
Lenore: circle it.

730
01:29:43.280 --> 01:29:50.280
Lenore: So these highlighted issues are the issues that are possibly the top candidates for your attentional bandwidth.

731
01:29:52.290 --> 01:30:01.259
Lenore: They're potentially the issues to which you could retreat if and when you and you notice you're getting within proximity of the overwhelm threshold.

732
01:30:03.200 --> 01:30:05.469
Lenore: and this and the circled issues

733
01:30:05.670 --> 01:30:08.249
Lenore: are also

734
01:30:08.670 --> 01:30:14.750
Lenore: these are offering themselves to you as the possible place around which to set up the guards for your sensorium

735
01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:19.760
Lenore: at least a starting point.

736
01:30:24.330 --> 01:30:29.260
Lenore: and those with a circle and a star are top candidates for your action.

737
01:30:35.660 --> 01:30:39.089
Lenore: Now, the only thing that I haven't included in that little

738
01:30:39.690 --> 01:30:41.360
Lenore: assessment process.

739
01:30:45.540 --> 01:30:47.240
Lenore: Sometimes

740
01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:53.569
Lenore: some of these might, if if we were to act on them, they might involve foregoing some kind of pleasure.

741
01:30:55.300 --> 01:31:02.330
Lenore: and so sometimes engaging ethically means foregoing a pleasure or a convenience, or something that you value.

742
01:31:04.390 --> 01:31:10.500
Lenore: So for me, for example, the thing I struggle with the most is air travel.

743
01:31:11.950 --> 01:31:16.669
Lenore: I love going to my world championship competitions.

744
01:31:17.030 --> 01:31:18.230
Lenore: and

745
01:31:18.340 --> 01:31:24.299
Lenore: for all sorts of reasons. They they bring all sorts. They tick all sorts of boxes in terms of

746
01:31:24.510 --> 01:31:27.839
Lenore:  enjoyment of my life.

747
01:31:28.090 --> 01:31:30.169
Lenore: and I feel really torn about it.

748
01:31:30.230 --> 01:31:33.079
Lenore: because more often than not they're in Europe.

749
01:31:34.290 --> 01:31:41.539
Lenore: So if it's a pleasure that you would have trouble giving up. Put a P next to it.

750
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:06.690
Lenore: so

751
01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:14.730
Lenore: maybe just to finish off. It might be worth just pairing up again, and having a little debrief on

752
01:32:14.930 --> 01:32:16.760
Lenore: on what you've got there.

753
01:32:17.460 --> 01:32:29.400
Lenore: Whether there are any issues you would like. You think maybe it would be helpful to move quadrants? Any that have a P next to them? What are the issues involved? There?

754
01:32:30.050 --> 01:32:32.950
Lenore: Are there any other ways you could fill those needs

755
01:32:34.250 --> 01:32:40.240
Lenore: for whatever kind of pleasure it is for me I keep thinking about. Well, you know. Are there other kind of

756
01:32:40.930 --> 01:32:46.819
Lenore: equally enjoyable things I could do that don't involve me. you know, going all the way to Europe

757
01:32:47.070 --> 01:32:50.000
Lenore: every year every second year.

758
01:32:50.140 --> 01:32:59.310
Lenore:  And you know, with those ones, if they're important ones, if they're highlighted and and got their stars and and circles on them.

759
01:32:59.790 --> 01:33:08.970
Lenore: maybe discuss. You know, other other ways. You could even partially engage with those issues. So maybe find someone you haven't spoken with much yet on the retreat.

760
01:33:12.190 --> 01:33:17.850
Lenore: Oh, what time do we supposed to sit? 90'clock? That's all right. We got 8 min.

761
01:33:21.160 --> 01:33:45.710
Hall (Guy - Host): Hey, everyone! It's Guy, I'm just thinking, feel free to talk amongst yourselves. Anything you say at the moment isn't gonna come into the room here. So spend a few minutes chatting amongst yourselves, as Manor just suggested pretty much what's happening here. I won't break you out into rooms. I don't see much points feel free to have a chat. I'll sit here and listen but no one else in here

762
01:33:49.100 --> 01:33:50.460
Hall (Guy - Host): as well.

763
01:33:55.330 --> 01:34:37.940
Hall (Guy - Host):  hi ryan, it's guy I think I just tried to communicate with you guys, but I might not have had the right button press. Did you hear me talking a moment ago?

764
01:34:38.040 --> 01:35:02.159
Hall (Guy - Host): Yes, we I did. Yeah, okay, no problem. It's fine guys. We've only got a few minutes before we get to the top of the hour. I thought I might just call out the end, let me change the video so you can see me.

765
01:35:02.220 --> 01:35:11.439
Hall (Guy - Host): yeah, Hi, I don't know if you remember, Leah, but I think we're on the same.

766
01:35:11.460 --> 01:35:37.999
Hall (Guy - Host): insight dialogue.

767
01:35:38.150 --> 01:36:02.949
Hall (Guy - Host): Yes, so much has happened since then. But yes, Hello, Guy, lovely to see you again, anyway, I'll I'll I'll let you guys talk amongst yourselves. I'm gonna be trying to man the desk for the next day or so. Alan is gonna pop out so it'll be me on the end of the firing line on the end of whatever

768
01:36:02.950 --> 01:36:14.080
Hall (Guy - Host): messages you want to send through. But I'll be doing everything all myself, so it might just be that I'm a little bit slow to respond at times. You know. I should probably let everyone know that when they're here

769
01:36:14.080 --> 01:36:22.570
Hall (Guy - Host): I'll let you be. Please talk amongst yourselves if you like, like, I said before, nothing you're saying at the moment is coming into the room. So yeah.

770
01:36:23.170 --> 01:36:28.730
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): enjoy. I'll be back. I'll be back at the end or back shortly.

771
01:36:29.060 --> 01:36:31.749
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): Yeah. Bye.

772
01:36:33.570 --> 01:36:35.980
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): does anyone want to say anything?

773
01:36:36.530 --> 01:36:38.829
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): How's everyone go to the big?

774
01:36:39.810 --> 01:36:42.299
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): It's it lies.

775
01:36:44.510 --> 01:36:45.420
then zoom

776
01:36:47.020 --> 01:36:48.630
alright and

777
01:36:53.550 --> 01:36:54.470
online.

778
01:37:00.390 --> 01:37:02.370
Lenore: Alright. So then.

779
01:37:11.990 --> 01:37:14.969
Lenore: here on the outside.

780
01:37:15.530 --> 01:37:17.229
be there at this time. But.

781
01:37:33.140 --> 01:37:41.759
Hall (Guy - Host): sorry, guys, I realized you had all the background noise coming from the room over, you guys. So fix that.

782
01:37:59.070 --> 01:38:01.730
Qingqing Beijing: though, dear friends, I'm a bit.

783
01:38:04.940 --> 01:38:18.999
Qingqing Beijing: I should say a bit puzzled, because if we all chat together to our friends in Brisbane, though there are 6 of them. So that's of it. So I don't know where to start and what we are.

784
01:38:22.020 --> 01:38:34.139
Qingqing Beijing: So, anyway, for from my side this exercise has been quite revealing, because most of issues Ranore listed are quite

785
01:38:35.250 --> 01:38:49.160
Qingqing Beijing: most of them for me. Most of them are in the Quadrant, too. So I have very few things on Quadrant one. and almost yeah.

786
01:38:50.380 --> 01:38:51.869
Qingqing Beijing: When there are 2

787
01:38:52.030 --> 01:39:06.100
Qingqing Beijing: in Quadrant. For, for for instance, the Australian referendum definitely, I didn't know anything. And before you talked about it I even didn't know. So that was happening.

788
01:39:07.670 --> 01:39:09.550
Qingqing Beijing: So that's reading it.

789
01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:11.650
Qingqing Beijing: Interesting, too.

790
01:39:12.010 --> 01:39:15.740
Qingqing Beijing: for me to to be aware how.

791
01:39:17.220 --> 01:39:20.730
Qingqing Beijing: Oh, the world, I perceive, is shaped

792
01:39:21.120 --> 01:39:23.259
Qingqing Beijing: by what's coming, ain't

793
01:39:25.400 --> 01:39:28.779
DiPelletier: I think that's a very wise thinking.

794
01:39:28.900 --> 01:39:34.199
DiPelletier: because we are overwhelmed here with with news.

795
01:39:34.490 --> 01:39:44.810
DiPelletier: and our understanding of the news in China is much more limited. So you, coming into these spaces. really reveals that to you

796
01:39:45.250 --> 01:39:49.099
DiPelletier: and I don't know what you do with that knowledge, but

797
01:39:49.510 --> 01:39:51.179
DiPelletier: what what we're given

798
01:39:51.190 --> 01:39:57.420
DiPelletier: in your country and our country are so completely different in these media on slots.

799
01:39:57.880 --> 01:40:02.570
DiPelletier: people talking here about television and

800
01:40:04.150 --> 01:40:13.870
DiPelletier: your television probably isn't as full of gambling ads as ours is at the minute. It's one of our big issues. And there's there's things that go on here that are quite

801
01:40:14.060 --> 01:40:24.820
DiPelletier: and think, I think, quite different than what goes on in Beijing. So you're getting a real world view doing this stuff online congratulations.

802
01:40:25.010 --> 01:40:30.010
DiPelletier: And the referendum was an extremely sad time for us here.

803
01:40:30.050 --> 01:40:36.910
DiPelletier: Mostly the group. I'm sure, that are sitting in that room and online. Most of us were very pro referendum.

804
01:40:37.380 --> 01:40:50.100
DiPelletier: and you know, I think it was one of the teachers mentioned the grief that we still feel. And but of course it's not an issue that's particularly important to to Chinese people in in China

805
01:40:50.320 --> 01:40:54.490
DiPelletier: here. They're more aware of it. Of course we have a large Chinese population.

806
01:40:55.350 --> 01:41:03.539
DiPelletier: and how engaged they are relates to how long they've been here, and what their understanding is. But am I still turned on. Oh, yes.

807
01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:13.070
Liane (Gumbaynggirr country): thank you, Dai, so I wish we had time to.

808
01:41:13.540 --> 01:41:18.519
Lenore: I wish we had time to share our insights in the larger group, because I'd love to hear them. But

809
01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:24.310
Lenore: tell me over coffee tomorrow, or whatever, if you, if you found that helpful

810
01:41:24.430 --> 01:41:36.819
Lenore: we need to move into the meditation. Now, can I just ask our friends online for my session tomorrow night you're going to need? A document, one page document which I will email to you when I go back to my room

811
01:41:37.040 --> 01:41:42.740
Lenore: after our meditation tonight. But if you can just check it and print it out before tomorrow night's session.

812
01:41:43.030 --> 01:41:44.309
Lenore: That would be great.

813
01:41:44.530 --> 01:41:47.339
Lenore: And you'll need highlighters for tomorrow as well.

814
01:41:48.810 --> 01:41:55.329
Lenore: Pardon. you don't need to just the people online. Yeah.

815
01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:59.180
Lenore: you can trust. Yeah. Hang on to trustee Highlighter for tomorrow. Yep.