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Winton: channel to go through.

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Winton: So I guess this session is is titled, knowing what we know, what are we to do?

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Winton: And I've deliberately used the word we, because not just moving from from Steven. Well, the teacher's sense of moving from our inner world

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Winton: keeps this balance going of the inner and outer work, but then on to

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Winton: our work in the world.

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Winton: And it's a really unusual situation. We don't know.

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Winton: We we haven't had this before, where our world's looking as if it's going to become uninhabitable very soon.

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Winton: So it's a big experiment.

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Winton: But it needs everyone to be involved. That's my bias speaking there. So it's why I asked for it. You know, I think we need to get off our cushions and onto the streets as one of my teachers has said.

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Winton: it's an emergency.

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Winton: it really is an emergency. And when it's an emergency, you do things you wouldn't normally do. Perhaps you're a little bit braver than you normally would be.

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Winton: and that's where we're at

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Winton: As I was coming out the hall. I had a quick look at what we're in a Catholic

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Winton: monastery type situation for the people who are online. And there was a book of Mary Mackillips sayings there, and that book she's got written. She didn't write it, but she said you told me I had great work to do.

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Winton: but you did not tell me in what way. So even Mary Mackillop was unsure about what to do

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Winton: when there's a big calling.

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Winton: so we're all confused. But I do know, as I've said before, that this is

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Winton: not what an individual can do. It's what non- individuals can do as in groups.

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Winton: and you know I don't. I don't think it was the Buddha who said it, but it's in the suit as somewhere. You are like children playing with your toys while your house is on fire.

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Winton: I've got that written on my toilet wall. It gives that impression that we there's a certain amount of talking we can do. and a certain amount of preparation. But we must do something.

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Winton: So that's why I was really keen to have this session.

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Winton: I'm just going to put some frameworks around it, or else we're going to run out of time again.

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Winton: So the frameworks

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Winton: doing this is not my forte, so I've had to kind of whip this out.

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Winton: But the frameworks are. There will be a time limit. I've asked Margaret to ring the bell when someone's spoken for 2 min.

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Winton: so 2 min will be the limit. please those who haven't spoken. You know we are.

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Winton: you know, interested in your ideas. So those who haven't spoken or haven't spoken much. We'd love to hear from you. and if something's already been said, then let's be succinct, because we've got a short time to save the world.

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Winton: There we go.

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Winton: A very yeah, half an hour to save the world, you know. So keep it succinct. But saying that you know it's that both that pulse of inner and outer. So we're going to hear from everybody. But keep it succinct, and Margaret's kindly going to ring the bell.

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Winton: So we've for the people online. We've asked people just to come up with ideas here.

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Winton: Again. I'm going to put in my bias because I'm I'm not as interested in a

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Winton: cars, food and composting anymore. I'm interested in mass movement. That's what it's come to.

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Winton: So I want to go. For this group ideas that would lead towards mass movement. And you know, sure there are individual actions that can do that. But that's what I'm interested in

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Winton: and soap.

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Winton: I don't think I will read through it through them all. Just at this moment I might read a few and ask for people to make comments. Does that sound as if that would work?

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Winton: So you don't have to listen to my voice all the time.

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Winton: So the first one is, find a group that works for you like you might try several groups before you find one which suits your skills or inclinations.

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Winton: And I want to add to that

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Winton: if you don't like some little parts of the group.

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Winton: but you like what they do. suck it up.

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Winton: you know. Use all your Buddhist skills. I think. Am I quoting Steven? Use all your Buddhist skills to just think this is just individual differences, you know, because it's like, I say, it's an emergency. So if someone pisses you off, really stick with it.

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Winton: that's what I'll add to that one

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Winton: and then here join a national letter writing group. They have hundreds of people responding to any items in the media that touch on climate change. There's a group called

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Winton: Can't Remember where people what is it? Yeah, I'll think of it when I'm not trying to think of it. Where they write they write letters to the editors. When I think of it, I'll I'll make it available. There's climate for change. Mpeg groups where people write

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Winton: ring and visit Mps

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Winton: in groups. I've got 2 of those groups. So talk to me. If you're interested. If you're nervous of it. It's a little bit like Tina said. The way they keep statistics.

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Winton: a letter hang on a phone call equals 10 letters and a visit equals 10 phone calls and they keep a count. So even if you just say.

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Winton: in comparison to 3 page letters. So bear that in mind. Anyway.

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Winton: join a land care or a bush care, or anything to do with the precious earth, please, you know, join.

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Winton: Trees are grow for trees for life, but you know. I think this is a lovely point. Bush care or bush links group, restore bush to enhance nature and carbon capture. Again, you can do both. Letter writing can be done at night. This can be done in the day, so don't don't rule out doing both.

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Winton: Yeah, mass movement. Keep it in mind. So I don't want to drone on. Would anyone like to make comments about this, their experiences or their resources?

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Winton: so just very quickly, these were points that I wrote up because I think people need a bit of a diversity, not everyone.

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Winton: or it might take a while for some people to feel comfortable in a direct action, for example. But there are very potent things like this, very well organized letter writing campaign, and you don't even have to be.

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Winton: There's there's people called drones that can put their names to letters, and you might be a drone, or you might be a letter writer. So all these things are incredibly well organised already. It's not as if you have to start from scratch. It's just finding that connection with whatever that group is that fits for you.

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Winton: there's there are also in terms of writing letters or support signing petitions. There's quite a lot that comes through email where it's already. The petition's already drafted.

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Winton: And you know, I just want to say something on that, too. Is that this is my favorite topic. Sorry you can time me as well.

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Winton: However, you know I talk to a lot of staffers. I visit my Mp. Once a fortnight, and you know I'm the eccentric little old lady that.

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Winton: And you know, the staffers say that those quirky little letters or visits are what sticks in politicians minds. You know. We had one in Adelaide that was very inactive.

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Winton: and one of our groups went and visited him and talked a fairwhile about grandchildren, and then told him a few things that he was aghast at.

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Winton: and like how much water is used in fracking. and he actually, for the first time in his life. joined the group with Josh Burns, etc. Who are interested in the the climate trigger.

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Winton: And you know, if it was just from a group of people visiting. So I want to encourage people to individually do it. Just ring. You will just get a staffer.

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Winton: Don't just ring them and go blah blah blah I care about client. Say, you know I care about client. I've got grandkids. I will. I want you on my behalf, too. and give them an ask, and then say, I'll follow you up on that.

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Winton: and I know this is probably asking too much. But I'm going to do it anyway, not to forget about human suffering.

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Winton: the people that are being anger impacted still need our help like homeless people, and they are the most effective. So if we have enough energy, can we do a bit of both.

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Winton: And we I wanna go back to that balance that Steven spoke about when talking about this. We're balancing, that's what I call the pulse. We go from our practice, from being in touch with what we can and can't do knowing when we have overwhelm, etc. So this is in a life without a life. And as you're saying, Amy

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Winton: and let the and vote, let them know which is what through market forces has happened. Aboriginal people have been able to come into the agm

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Vivien Langford: I've discovered something one above visiting the MP. And that is going to the Parliament and supporting the MP. When they do something that you want to endorse, and would like them to, you know, build on it. And I had that experience. I went to the Newcastle blockade, and I met some of the Senators there, and Senator Janet Rice told me, oh, I'm getting 20,000 letters

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Vivien Langford: a week on Palestine. Oh, and then another Senator Sue Higginson told me in the New South Wales Parliament. Oh, we're doing a bill on net 0 by 2035, and so I went to the New South Wales Parliament rainy night, and

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Vivien Langford: after the lunch break or the dinner break, they were going to talk on till midnight. I didn't really think I could last that long, but I sat there. I was the only one in the public gallery, and it was Brilliant Theatre on Sue Higginson's part, I mean she's a lawyer. She gave a brilliant speech.

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Vivien Langford: several brilliant species, but it was very discouraging. The bad behavior of the other Mps, who were very rude, very toxic masculinity, pointing their fingers, shouting, grandstanding. It was very ugly, and I thought if there were 40 people up here

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Vivien Langford: glaring at them, or anything but just sitting there as citizens. I don't think the tone of that debate would have been the same, and I reckon if we did it quite often some of the outcomes might be different, because they know someone's watching that this is, these are organized groups that

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Vivien Langford: really endorse some policies and not others.

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Winton: Fantastic. Vivian. Yeah, really good idea. And I can hear people acknowledging that that it is a good idea, and

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Winton: you know the power of many, many people visiting these Mps, or many, many people being in Parliament. I want to recommend.

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Winton: I will get back to this something else that we do, and that is, you know, we Channel Greta and I have a group of people that sits on the steps of South Australian Parliament House

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Winton: see. So I recommend doing that, you know. It's non-intrusive. You get permission from the sergeant at arms. They're called. and you do it once a month, once a week, once a day, if you, if you really feel strongly about it and you live close.

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Winton: shareholder action on the what can I do as an individual? So so in terms of money matters, you know. Bring your money where it can have an effect. So one of the market forces if you actually join market forces. They will ask you to sometimes go to Agms. Sometimes they they ask like they've asked me to buy a small pass.

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Winton: I would sign shareholder, and central shareholder, because it gives it gives them a a voting rights. So I can endorse proxy so you can use your proxy, and they don't just go and chat. They put forward resolutions, and some of those you know resolutions get up. So you know, it's a very, very

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Winton: so sorry. I just wanted to clarify that about some things are actually on the individual side. Yeah. And there's no line really. And market forces. If if you're in Australia are a really great resource contact market sources, and they'll give you

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Winton: sorry. The Australian ethical investment funds you don't need. You don't need a agent or trader. You just go on their website and can just invest.

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Winton: Yeah. Oh, there you go. So what was that? Again? That's the Australian Ethical

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Lena: Hmm!

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Winton: So I don't know if we're waiting for someone, but I'll just quickly read a few more so that we can get through these pages.

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Winton: Someone's written join a community garden or doctors for the environment. So we're now talking about groups. So you can either start your own if you want to meditate on the sets of Parliament House, or you can join others. And again, this movement towards

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Winton: from this retreat that sense of moving outwards from from your Dharma practice out into the world. And you know, I've put here acf climate action network, which is kana extinction rebellion

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Winton: which I really recommend. It's one of my dharma groups move beyond coal blockade, Australia, the knitting Nanas are really really active. They're fantastic, the red rebels. So street theatre. If you're if you're into art or theatre. It's a fantastic way to join a mass movement.

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Winton: If you do decide to come to Newcastle next year, which we recommend, you know, there's there's Street Theater. There's artists, there's it's a beautiful mass of very talented, interesting people.

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Winton: and then sage the younger grass roots, young people in sage etcetera, I don't know. Yeah. Both Garwin and I are members of Arc, which is the Australian religious response to climate change. They're very active banners up outside churches, etcetera. So you know, check out in your state the local arc group

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Winton: and see what they do. So we have Lina online, Lina online.

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Lena: Hi, Lena, Hi, Hi, can you hear me? Yeah, okay, I just wanted to add to Margaret's

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Lena: Australian ethical investments that there is also a found that is called future Super.

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Lena: and their slogan is the future isn't only measured in dollars. It's measured in Celsius.

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Lena:  And I think they they were. They have won some award as well.

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Ayla Curtis: alright, thanks. Yeah, I'll I'll put in a big plug for future super as well. I changed quite a few years ago now, and they originally set up, but super easy process. Incredible ethics. Great customer service like couldn't recommend future super

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Ayla Curtis: But what I wanted to bring up specifically was around. I guess these groups that you could join and in particular, leverage, I think. If you're still in the workforce, or even if you're not joining you union

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Vivien Langford: what inspiring, inspiring action looks like. Please contact me because I would love to have their group, their action, things that they are reporting on to my wider audience. We even picked up in Canada, you know, New Zealand sometimes takes our show. So

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Lynda: Something that occurred to me a number of years ago was the need for greater connectivity and networking amongst those of us nationally who are working very hard in our local communities at various levels.

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Winton: What do we? And the other question is, what do we need to do for the purpose of maximizing our contribution to the actual problem that we are talking about.

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Winton: It might be a great thing for the the group that Jeff's talking about to to discuss. We all make individual decisions on that.

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Winton: So I think we will finish off this. So people can have a quick toilet, break and drink, etc. Before our meditation. It feels like this is an ongoing discussion. But thank you, everyone who contributed.

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Winton: and you know we might see the interest in having a Australian secular dharma

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Winton: in action. I don't know what we'd call it group that could could follow through with these ideas.

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Winton:  so we can put the incredible depth of dharma discussion and practice that has happened over the week into action. So thank you, everyone.

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Winton: and thank you, Anna, for moderating the session. Very, very well, thank you.

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Winton: Once you time limit people.